Well, Harry wasn't the son of Asa Crosman. At least, not exactly. I went back through the will of Asa Crosman, and Asa definitely had a son names Harrison. But, the will notes at the bottom that at the time of the will's execution Dec 11 1876, Harrison was not living in Henry Co, OH where we'd expect him. Instead he was living in Forsythe, Macon Co, Ill. (which means I ought to have a look through the same Macon Co History in 1880 that gave me Rufus' (son of Asa) Bio, and see if there is one for Harrison.
So Harry isn't Harrison. I re-looked at Harry's Bio, and it clearly says: "Harry Crossman, the son of a family which came to Henry Co from New York, was born in Monroe Township on November 1 1853. He was reared on a farm, and remained a farmer for life."
The Crossman that was a son to Asa that lived in Henry Co, per the will, was Hirem. I checked the dates, and Hirem was born in 1826, which means he sure could have emigrated to Henry Co, and born Harrison (calling him Harry, to distinguish him from Hirem's brother, perhaps?) This also clarifies why Harry's bio names to brothers attending Harry's funeral: "the brothers, Charles and Albert..." I'll need to check the census and see if I can find Hirem and kids, to tie this all up neatly. Wouldn't that be great!
In the mean time, I still need to add all of the kids listed in Asa's will, and figure out who they all were (spouses, children, sourcing.), and glean Rufus' will for more details on Asa. Just now in checking it, I found that it shows Asa's birthplace, which I previously had not had. And it also mentions where Asa's parents were from, though not by name. This could give some leads.
Since I had Rufus Crossman on the brain, I spent some time looking for his death date, and couldn't find a thing. I did stumble onto a site for another Crossman researcher, and they have less death data than I, but more birth data; including Harry as the Son of Hirem, with the same brothers mentioned in the obit. [http://jllewis.tripod.com/geneology/375/index.htm] I'll make corrections in NFS. I'll probably spend some time mining data from this site to give a framework for further sourcing so I don't wasted time mixing things up like I did with Harry vs. Harrison again.
Sunday, August 2, 2009
Friday, July 31, 2009
Harry Crossman (Crosman) Continued
I spent some more time today, wrapping up the data mine from the Harry Crossman Obit. He was born 1 Nov 1853 in Henry Co., Ohio. He married Annie Irene Weaver on 24 Jan 1875. They had four children. Two were mentioned by name in the obit, and the other two died in infancy. I found the couple and three of their children buried in the Cole Cemetery that was mentioned in the Obit. The younger girls were named Olive (Ollie) E, Florence, and Mary A. The oldest daughter was married: Julia Mary Crosman. was also buried in Cole with her husband. I obtained census information to substantiate all of the family data quite well, and also all of the cemetery info. I'd like to get more detailed cemetery records if there are any. Everything is well sourced in NFS, and I've kept scanned copies of the obit, censuses. (there weren't any tombstone pictures.)
I'll also need better sourcing to tie the Harrison I found with his dates to the Harrison that is shown in the will for Asa Crossman. I presume them to be the same since he follows the same migratory pattern as Asa from NY to Henry, OH; and his obit mentions his family moving from NY. The censuses also all show him being born in NY. I just haven't sourced the link as well as I ought to have for original research.
I can still do some work investigating the spouses of Julia and Ollie, and their children, if any. Julia died 6 years before Harry (per the obit) and there isn't mention on any children. Ollie shows up living with her parents single in the 1920 census (Henry, OH), but isn't with them in the 1930 Census. I know her married name is Price (she is also buried in Cole), but her husband isn't buried there, and there isn't a death date in the tombstone transcriptions. I'll need to get the cemetery records to get her death date. I'll also have to re-comb the 1930 census to see if I can find her there. There shouldn't be too many Ollie's in the area, and we'll hope she hasn't moved to far. Also see if she has any children. If none of Harry's girls had any children, then that whole family branch has no proginy to carry on the work.
Harry's wife, Annie Irene Weaver, and her brother, mentioned in the obit linked up nicely with the same family that already had work done in NFS. They were combined and I'll abandon that family since it's getting a little far from my core and leave it to the original researcher (paschristiansen5568646) who obviously has more info on the Weaver Clan.
[The obit was sent to me by a genealogist in Arkansas who had found the obit in her families records, and she found me asking questions online about the Crossman's. She sent it to me knowing it would help me, and asking for some help on some other Henry County families that I didn't have any record of. Without this key info I don't think I'd have had much luck working up this whole family.]
I'll also need better sourcing to tie the Harrison I found with his dates to the Harrison that is shown in the will for Asa Crossman. I presume them to be the same since he follows the same migratory pattern as Asa from NY to Henry, OH; and his obit mentions his family moving from NY. The censuses also all show him being born in NY. I just haven't sourced the link as well as I ought to have for original research.
I can still do some work investigating the spouses of Julia and Ollie, and their children, if any. Julia died 6 years before Harry (per the obit) and there isn't mention on any children. Ollie shows up living with her parents single in the 1920 census (Henry, OH), but isn't with them in the 1930 Census. I know her married name is Price (she is also buried in Cole), but her husband isn't buried there, and there isn't a death date in the tombstone transcriptions. I'll need to get the cemetery records to get her death date. I'll also have to re-comb the 1930 census to see if I can find her there. There shouldn't be too many Ollie's in the area, and we'll hope she hasn't moved to far. Also see if she has any children. If none of Harry's girls had any children, then that whole family branch has no proginy to carry on the work.
Harry's wife, Annie Irene Weaver, and her brother, mentioned in the obit linked up nicely with the same family that already had work done in NFS. They were combined and I'll abandon that family since it's getting a little far from my core and leave it to the original researcher (paschristiansen5568646) who obviously has more info on the Weaver Clan.
[The obit was sent to me by a genealogist in Arkansas who had found the obit in her families records, and she found me asking questions online about the Crossman's. She sent it to me knowing it would help me, and asking for some help on some other Henry County families that I didn't have any record of. Without this key info I don't think I'd have had much luck working up this whole family.]
Sunday, July 26, 2009
Harrison Crossman Obit
I received a letter in the mail at random with an Obit For Harry Crossman, aka Harrison Crossman, son of Asa Crosman. I input the basics into FS, but will need to add the other information (4 daughters, 1 surviving; widow; and spouse info.) His work was already done through extraction, but this should be an easy line to update and do some original research once I've caught up with other work I've started. I'll scan the obit and add it to the files, and try to find the source, which is currently unknown.
Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Goring Dilemas
So right in the middle of combining my 5th generation, I hit some problems with Francis Anslem Goring. Our line should look like this:
James Edward Hutt (1855-1908) son of
Delilah Catherine Goring (1859-1927) daughter of
Francis Anslem Goring (1806-1869) & [2nd wife] Catherine Clement (1824-1906); son of
Frederick Augustus Goring (1785-1868) & Ann Hosteder (1785-1850); son of
Francis Goring (1755-1842) & Lucy Secord (1763-1801); etc
Most internet searches agree. But Dad had Francis Anslem (which probably should be spelled Anselm), as son of "Francis Judson? Goring (1788-)". I don't know who this Judson guy is, and the '?' makes it even more suspect. Combine that with the fact that some of the family records skip Frederick Augustus and have Francis Anselm as son of Francis Goring and Lucy Dow. Wrong.
While looking for some answers, I found a book on GoogleBooks by a guy who wrote a book about the Hostetter family and am trying to get the book to clarify the situation. "Hostetter, U.E.L.: Origins and History of an Ontario Family, By Brian K Narhi, Published by Ganymede Press, 1992." Here's some stuff he sent across a few emails. (He's a professional genealogist):
1. "You may or may not know that I live on part of what was the original Hostetter farm which Herman Hostetter (father of Ann Goring) bought in the early 1800s. The family burial ground, where Herman and other members of his family are buried, is about 500 feet west of my house. I can send you some pictures if you like, although due to vandalism there's not much left there now." (He sent lo-res pictures of the stones, now in my database of stuff.)
2. "Just a few items of interest that I can add to your lineage:
Abraham Hostetter (1723-1796) was the son of "Bishop" Jacob Hostetter (ca. 1690-1761) and his wife Anna Lorenz (ca. 1695, died sometime between 1773 and 1779). Abraham's wife, Catharine, was the daughter of Herman Long.
Herman Hostetter's wife, Ann Newman Kennedy, was daughter of John Kennedy, an Irish settler who went to South Carolina and served with the British forces during the American Revolution. He may have settled in Nova Scotia afterwards. Herman also served with the British forces during that war, and he first settled in Nova Scotia in 1783-84. He married Ann Newman Kennedy there, and their daughter Ann was born in Shelburne, Nova Scotia. Herman came to Upper Canada (Ontario) in 1793, and his family followed him here a few years later in 1795.
Frederick Augustus Goring (1785-1868) was the son of Francis Goring (1755-1842) and his wife, Lucy Secord (died 1801). Francis Goring came to Fort Niagara (New York) in the late 1770s as a merchant's clerk. His parents were Abraham Goring (Goringe) and Ann Lloyd who were married ca. 1753. Lucy Secord was the daughter of Peter Secord (1715-1818). Frederick and Ann Hostetter Goring are buried in the Homer Cemetery, on the east side of the present Welland Canal, just outside of the limits of the city of St. Catharines. I will send you pictures of their tombstones.
The Hutts are another very old family in the Niagara area. They have been in this region since the 1790s. The family appears to have been descended from Adam Hutt (1763-1842), a German emigrant, and his wife, Dorothea. Their family cemetery is located in Stamford Township (now part of the city of Niagara Falls) near the townline with Niagara Township (now part of the town of Niagara-on-the-Lake)."
3. "I believe that I have larger photos of the Goring tombstones, I just have to find them first. Those were quick shots that I took from a photocopy that I had on hand near my desk. The Ann Goring tombstone was already broken over 30 years ago when I first saw it, but when you see it in person it clearly states 1850 as the death date. The smaller lettering has been badly worn due to the weather. I believe the birth date is given as 1786 on that stone.
Ann Hostetter Goring was christened in the Anglican Church at Shelburne, Nova Scotia. I have not seen that record in person, but I do have a letter from the Shelburne Historical Society confirming this fact. Four of the children of Herman and Ann Hostetter were christened there. Ann Hostetter married Goring at St. Mark's Anglican Church in Niagara-on-the-Lake on November 5, 1805.
Ann Goring died 1 Jun 1850 in Niagara Township (just east of St. Catharines). Her family owned lands in both Niagara Township and Grantham Township (Grantham is what is now St. Catharines). The Homer Cemetery, where she is buried, was close to the border between Grantham and Niagara, and on the main highway through the Niagara Peninsula, so it was a convenient place for her to be buried.
FYI, I have a photo of Frederick Augustus Goring taken in old age with two of his daughters. Once I find it, I'll scan it and send it to you.
The spelling of the name is problematic. It was probably originally spelled "Hochstãder" or something similar to that. There are many variations of it, mainly due to the incompetency of British colonial bureaucrats. But by the mid 1700s, the name was mainly spelled "Hosteter" or "Hosteder." In many documents, your ancestor Herman signs himself as "Hosteter." At some point in the mid-19th century, the family added another "t" and the name in Ontario has become standardized as "Hostetter." But the question remains, why did they add the extra "t." Some have suggested that maybe it was to distinguish themselves from their American "Hosteter" cousins, but the spelling of the name seems to have been changed to "Hostetter" at that same time. Dunno.
So many questions, I wish I had a time machine to get all the answers. Have a great weekend.
Brian.
Brian gave me loads of good info. I'll have to incorporate more of his book into my records when he finally republishes it later this year (2009). [his email for the record is BrianNarhi (at) a o l (d.o.t.) com as shown elsewhere by the internet and his publisher.]
James Edward Hutt (1855-1908) son of
Delilah Catherine Goring (1859-1927) daughter of
Francis Anslem Goring (1806-1869) & [2nd wife] Catherine Clement (1824-1906); son of
Frederick Augustus Goring (1785-1868) & Ann Hosteder (1785-1850); son of
Francis Goring (1755-1842) & Lucy Secord (1763-1801); etc
Most internet searches agree. But Dad had Francis Anslem (which probably should be spelled Anselm), as son of "Francis Judson? Goring (1788-)". I don't know who this Judson guy is, and the '?' makes it even more suspect. Combine that with the fact that some of the family records skip Frederick Augustus and have Francis Anselm as son of Francis Goring and Lucy Dow. Wrong.
While looking for some answers, I found a book on GoogleBooks by a guy who wrote a book about the Hostetter family and am trying to get the book to clarify the situation. "Hostetter, U.E.L.: Origins and History of an Ontario Family, By Brian K Narhi, Published by Ganymede Press, 1992." Here's some stuff he sent across a few emails. (He's a professional genealogist):
1. "You may or may not know that I live on part of what was the original Hostetter farm which Herman Hostetter (father of Ann Goring) bought in the early 1800s. The family burial ground, where Herman and other members of his family are buried, is about 500 feet west of my house. I can send you some pictures if you like, although due to vandalism there's not much left there now." (He sent lo-res pictures of the stones, now in my database of stuff.)
2. "Just a few items of interest that I can add to your lineage:
Abraham Hostetter (1723-1796) was the son of "Bishop" Jacob Hostetter (ca. 1690-1761) and his wife Anna Lorenz (ca. 1695, died sometime between 1773 and 1779). Abraham's wife, Catharine, was the daughter of Herman Long.
Herman Hostetter's wife, Ann Newman Kennedy, was daughter of John Kennedy, an Irish settler who went to South Carolina and served with the British forces during the American Revolution. He may have settled in Nova Scotia afterwards. Herman also served with the British forces during that war, and he first settled in Nova Scotia in 1783-84. He married Ann Newman Kennedy there, and their daughter Ann was born in Shelburne, Nova Scotia. Herman came to Upper Canada (Ontario) in 1793, and his family followed him here a few years later in 1795.
Frederick Augustus Goring (1785-1868) was the son of Francis Goring (1755-1842) and his wife, Lucy Secord (died 1801). Francis Goring came to Fort Niagara (New York) in the late 1770s as a merchant's clerk. His parents were Abraham Goring (Goringe) and Ann Lloyd who were married ca. 1753. Lucy Secord was the daughter of Peter Secord (1715-1818). Frederick and Ann Hostetter Goring are buried in the Homer Cemetery, on the east side of the present Welland Canal, just outside of the limits of the city of St. Catharines. I will send you pictures of their tombstones.
The Hutts are another very old family in the Niagara area. They have been in this region since the 1790s. The family appears to have been descended from Adam Hutt (1763-1842), a German emigrant, and his wife, Dorothea. Their family cemetery is located in Stamford Township (now part of the city of Niagara Falls) near the townline with Niagara Township (now part of the town of Niagara-on-the-Lake)."
3. "I believe that I have larger photos of the Goring tombstones, I just have to find them first. Those were quick shots that I took from a photocopy that I had on hand near my desk. The Ann Goring tombstone was already broken over 30 years ago when I first saw it, but when you see it in person it clearly states 1850 as the death date. The smaller lettering has been badly worn due to the weather. I believe the birth date is given as 1786 on that stone.
Ann Hostetter Goring was christened in the Anglican Church at Shelburne, Nova Scotia. I have not seen that record in person, but I do have a letter from the Shelburne Historical Society confirming this fact. Four of the children of Herman and Ann Hostetter were christened there. Ann Hostetter married Goring at St. Mark's Anglican Church in Niagara-on-the-Lake on November 5, 1805.
Ann Goring died 1 Jun 1850 in Niagara Township (just east of St. Catharines). Her family owned lands in both Niagara Township and Grantham Township (Grantham is what is now St. Catharines). The Homer Cemetery, where she is buried, was close to the border between Grantham and Niagara, and on the main highway through the Niagara Peninsula, so it was a convenient place for her to be buried.
FYI, I have a photo of Frederick Augustus Goring taken in old age with two of his daughters. Once I find it, I'll scan it and send it to you.
The spelling of the name is problematic. It was probably originally spelled "Hochstãder" or something similar to that. There are many variations of it, mainly due to the incompetency of British colonial bureaucrats. But by the mid 1700s, the name was mainly spelled "Hosteter" or "Hosteder." In many documents, your ancestor Herman signs himself as "Hosteter." At some point in the mid-19th century, the family added another "t" and the name in Ontario has become standardized as "Hostetter." But the question remains, why did they add the extra "t." Some have suggested that maybe it was to distinguish themselves from their American "Hosteter" cousins, but the spelling of the name seems to have been changed to "Hostetter" at that same time. Dunno.
So many questions, I wish I had a time machine to get all the answers. Have a great weekend.
Brian.
Brian gave me loads of good info. I'll have to incorporate more of his book into my records when he finally republishes it later this year (2009). [his email for the record is BrianNarhi (at) a o l (d.o.t.) com as shown elsewhere by the internet and his publisher.]
Monday, December 15, 2008
More Combining, 5th Gen
Wow, I can see how this is getting exponentially more difficult. Literally.
Here is where I will track the 'duplicate combination' for the 5th generation up from James BF Davis. This time, I'll be working from the female end of the line, upwards (or bottom to top.)
5th Generation:
Lucy Ann Holton
Selah Dickerson
Mabel Sterling
William Mead
Sarah Baker
Asa Crosman (Crossman)
Mina Cramer
Samuel Leonard Coleman
Here is where I will track the 'duplicate combination' for the 5th generation up from James BF Davis. This time, I'll be working from the female end of the line, upwards (or bottom to top.)
5th Generation:
Lucy Ann Holton
Selah Dickerson
Mabel Sterling
William Mead
Sarah Baker
Asa Crosman (Crossman)
Mina Cramer
Samuel Leonard Coleman
Combining Duplicates
So, before I started this blog, here's what I got done:
I've combined all of the records for these peoples children and their descendants:
1st Gen
James Benjamin Freeman Davis
2nd Gen
James Hutt Davis
Grace Emogene Coleman
3rd Gen
Benjamin Freeman Davis, Sr.
Rena Grace Hutt
Crosman Asa Coleman
Lucy Irene Mead
4th Gen
Ephriam Lemuel Davis
Mary Elizabeth Davis
James Edward Hutt
Delilah Catherine Goring
Samuel Handy Coleman
Marian Alice Crosman
James M. Mead
Mary Ann Dickerson
5th Gen will be updated elsewhere...
A few of them had some pretty lengthy downlines.
I've combined all of the records for these peoples children and their descendants:
1st Gen
James Benjamin Freeman Davis
2nd Gen
James Hutt Davis
Grace Emogene Coleman
3rd Gen
Benjamin Freeman Davis, Sr.
Rena Grace Hutt
Crosman Asa Coleman
Lucy Irene Mead
4th Gen
Ephriam Lemuel Davis
Mary Elizabeth Davis
James Edward Hutt
Delilah Catherine Goring
Samuel Handy Coleman
Marian Alice Crosman
James M. Mead
Mary Ann Dickerson
5th Gen will be updated elsewhere...
A few of them had some pretty lengthy downlines.
Sunday, December 14, 2008
A set of boxes
Dad left a gedcom file on diskette (3.5 in), a printed pedigree chart with no family group records (showing only parents, no children). He also left 2 boxes of pictures, certificates, and fmily group sheets. There's a third box that mom has, and I'm not sure what's in it yet.
One of the big motivators for me to get going on family history was the advent of the new familysearch. So here is my plan of attack:
I've imported the gedcom file that I have into new.familysearch.com It contained about 600 names. I suspect that this is only a small portion of what dad had completed. The pedigree chart/ folder that I have has names with numbers ranging up into the 2600's. I'm not sure what numbering system he used, but I'm sure there are more names that I simply don't have included in the gedcom file that he knew about, or input into the computer from group sheets which are hopefully in my posession.
Next, I'll go back through all of the names linked to me in new.familysearch.com (NFS). This review will allow me to check for duplicates and make sure that any original research I do in the future isn't on lines that already have work done. To facilitate this, I imported the gedcom file of dad's research in all caps, and I'm changing the names to regular type as I've corroborated the info and checked for duplicates. I started at me, then straight to the Davis family, skipping the whole Nicholes line.
Each new generation, I check the siblings from youngest to oldest for children, and go to children if there are any, and their children if there are any... working down generations, until there are no more down lines, then checking for duplicates as I work my way back up. I'l track which ones I finish here.
Once I finish combining duplicates, I'll go back through my dad's files and add as much information as I can find on pedigrees, family group sheets, with or without sourcing.
Once this is complete, I'll go back and try to source as much of Dad's original research as I can. This will include obtaining original documents, copies of certificates of birth, marriage, and death. Getting census records, etc. This will be labor intensive, but is the only way to ensure that the research done is correct. I'll probably scan all the documents I get and make them available online so no more of them are lost than already were from Dad's original research. This step should also start to provide more leads for original research as new siblings, children and parents are uncovered.
Once all the information I have has been sourced (which ought to take a few years), I'll follow up on those leads, and try to do the best I can tracing back in time, as well as the children of siblings of actual direct ancestors.
One of the big motivators for me to get going on family history was the advent of the new familysearch. So here is my plan of attack:
I've imported the gedcom file that I have into new.familysearch.com It contained about 600 names. I suspect that this is only a small portion of what dad had completed. The pedigree chart/ folder that I have has names with numbers ranging up into the 2600's. I'm not sure what numbering system he used, but I'm sure there are more names that I simply don't have included in the gedcom file that he knew about, or input into the computer from group sheets which are hopefully in my posession.
Next, I'll go back through all of the names linked to me in new.familysearch.com (NFS). This review will allow me to check for duplicates and make sure that any original research I do in the future isn't on lines that already have work done. To facilitate this, I imported the gedcom file of dad's research in all caps, and I'm changing the names to regular type as I've corroborated the info and checked for duplicates. I started at me, then straight to the Davis family, skipping the whole Nicholes line.
Each new generation, I check the siblings from youngest to oldest for children, and go to children if there are any, and their children if there are any... working down generations, until there are no more down lines, then checking for duplicates as I work my way back up. I'l track which ones I finish here.
Once I finish combining duplicates, I'll go back through my dad's files and add as much information as I can find on pedigrees, family group sheets, with or without sourcing.
Once this is complete, I'll go back and try to source as much of Dad's original research as I can. This will include obtaining original documents, copies of certificates of birth, marriage, and death. Getting census records, etc. This will be labor intensive, but is the only way to ensure that the research done is correct. I'll probably scan all the documents I get and make them available online so no more of them are lost than already were from Dad's original research. This step should also start to provide more leads for original research as new siblings, children and parents are uncovered.
Once all the information I have has been sourced (which ought to take a few years), I'll follow up on those leads, and try to do the best I can tracing back in time, as well as the children of siblings of actual direct ancestors.
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